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Sunday, June 10, 2007

About Prayer (Stepping Stones)

(Excerpt from the first draft of our new book)

Maybe prayer isn’t for everyone; it’s up to you to choose whether prayer can be right for you. We believe that even atheists can use prayer effectively; we believe prayer is a powerful and valuable tool. We hope that this brief explanation of prayer will help you understand the importance of prayer the way we have come to understand it.

About Prayer

An angel has asked us to tell you about prayer. What are angels? We have it on good authority that angels are light. According to the angel we just spoke with they are messengers. We haven’t much liked angels in the past, but we are starting to get used to talking with them.

This particular angel wanted us to tell you about prayer because prayer is very important. Regardless of how you believe in God, or even if you don’t believe in God, prayer works.

Prayer works because you are in charge. Unfortunately, if you do not know that you are in charge then you do not know how to ask yourself to fix things for you. You do not know how to ask yourself for help. You do not know how to ask yourself for what you want.

Just ask.

That’s really all there is to it.

If it seems as if it can’t be that simple, we would like to assure you that it is just that simple.

Just ask for help.

Ask for what you need.

Ask for anything you want.

Your prayers will be answered.

It has been our direct experience that our prayers have been answered, and we did not even believe in prayer. We did not even want to believe in prayer. (Well some of us did.) Anyhow, we tried it and it worked. And it is still working.

We aren’t very good at praying yet, but we now understand enough about prayer to help you with any issues that you may have with prayer.

Prayer is not about God.

Prayer is about You.

You are the one who ultimately answers all of your prayers. But if you do not have faith in yourself, if you do not have faith in the connectedness between yourself and the universe that puts you in charge of your life, then it can help to believe in an outside power called God who can help you by answering your prayers.

Whether God exists or not is irrelevant to the effectiveness of prayer. Prayer based on a belief in God will work more or less as well as prayer based on a belief in atheism. This is because there is a fundamental nature to the way our hearts and minds work that presupposes a higher power even if we wish to deny that a higher power exists.

We see evidence of higher powers in our daily lives in the form of police officers, lawyers, judges, statesmen, diplomats, scholars and anyone else in an authoritative role.

Men, in particular, are biologically programmed for the dominance game, and the dominance game is all about power and who is on top.

So long as you do not perceive yourself as being on top, you inadvertently presume someone else is on top, even if that someone else is some nameless authority you have never seen. And what better example of a nameless, ambiguous authority whom you have never seen can there be than God? Of course we have given God names, but you get the idea.

It is irrelevant whether you believe in God or not, so long as you ask for help. The real help will be coming from you. You are the one who will answer all of your own prayers.

Even if you do not know how you will answer your own prayers, you can still do it. You are doing it all the time. You may not know how a computer works, but you can still use one.

Prayer doesn’t require your understanding.

Prayer doesn’t require your belief.

Prayer only requires one thing, prayer requires you to ask.

So just ask.

We had a lot of trouble with prayer because of our pride and stubbornness. We didn’t want to pray because we did not want to acknowledge any power higher than ourselves. But if we were the highest authority in our lives, then we were screwing up royally, because we were really miserable.

We had to work hard to understand this.

Why were choosing to make ourselves so miserable?

That’s a long complex answer not really suited to this part of this book. The short answer is that we were making ourselves miserable because we didn’t know better.

So now we know better and we are trying to apply that knowledge to change our lives and we are trying to share that knowledge with you in the hopes that it will help you change your lives too. (Please bear with us, you may not experience yourself as being more than one person, but we see you a little differently, and you will learn why this is so later in this book.)

The point is: Prayer works.

It doesn’t really need any more explanation than that, but if you are as reluctant as I was to try it then you may need to look into what makes you so reluctant.

We mentioned that pride was an issue for us. Prayer seems to put us in an inferior position to something else which we may want to call God for lack of a better term. It doesn’t matter what we perceive ourselves as being inferior to, the act of having to ask for help implies our inferiority and our pride had issues with that. We are still getting over those issues. But it helps us from our point of view to know that we are not inferior to God because in the most ultimate sense of our identity We are God, and so are You.


Even if you are an atheist, prayer works. Not because God exists, but because You exist. Think of prayer as a way of tricking yourself into accomplishing things that you don’t believe you know how to do.

You don’t believe you know how to make a universe, but you create the universe around you all the time. It doesn’t matter if you don’t know how you do it, and it doesn’t matter if you don’t believe you do it. We know you do it, and in time you may figure this out for yourself.

You don’t even have to take our word on it that you are the creator of your universe, because changing what you believe isn’t required.

It can really help if you change your beliefs, but it isn’t required.

The only requirement for prayer is that you ask.

You don’t have to be humble to ask, although asking can make you feel humble.

You don’t have to be pious to ask, although asking may help you feel pious.

You don’t have to believe to ask, but seeing your prayers answered may make you a believer.

If you feel like you have been praying and that your prayers aren’t being answered, or that your prayers are being answered the wrong ways, then you will need to do a little prayer debugging.

That is really what the rest of this book is all about, how to debug your prayers.

We still find the word prayer a little offensive. So we still have some debugging to do in that department. But it is a minor bug. We know prayer works and if you don’t yet know prayer works, we trust you will discover that it does, so long as you make a sincere effort to try prayer and you learn how to debug it when it seems to fail or goof up.

If you already consider yourself a pious person we apologize if we have said things you found offensive. We totally believe in God, we just may not understand God the same way you do.

If you consider yourself an atheist, we hope you won’t find talking about God too offensive. We embraced atheism along our path and it didn’t work for us. Perhaps it works for you. It doesn’t matter whether God exists or not as long as you know how to make your life better and are you free to do so.

This book is about liberation. This book is about freedom. This book is about putting you in charge of your life in a manner that is more powerful than you may ever have imagined was possible. This book is about you.

The information we intend to share with you in this book is about how to recreate yourself as the best possible person you can hope to be. If you don’t want to improve yourself and your life then put this book down loser!

However, if you sincerely want to learn what makes you tick as a human being, if you sincerely want to learn how your heart and mind and body work together to help sustain you, if you sincerely want to know how to improve every aspect of your life, then we think this book will help you a lot and we hope you will enjoy reading it as much as we are enjoying writing it.

This book is for you.

If you feel we left something out here, you are right. This book is intended to go beyond helping you to make yourself a better person. This book is intended to help you make the world you live in a better world. We hope you have the courage to do this for yourself, we think you are going to like the results.

And remember, if you are uncertain about anything, or think you need something, just ask.

Really, just ask!



Hi, we are collectively known by the name of Greg Gourdian for the purposes of publishing articles. We are a collective of people spanning many worlds and universes; we cohabitate many bodies in many very different or similar worlds.

We worked with the general public as a psychic reader for a little over four years from 1981 to 1986. While much of our written work is channeled, we may sometimes admit that we may have no idea who many of the voices of our channeled work may be.

We have many strange tales to tell regarding our spiritual journeys and we try to tell our tales in a humorous or entertaining manner.

While we were not an accredited teacher, we have taught high-school classes in metaphysics & parapsychology, psychology, and sociology, while we were attending our high-school as a student.

We are still emerging from the closet in regard to being a system of many people inhabiting what appears to be a single body in the context of the interface pairs we share with you. Our current written works reflect this new change in perspective as we have adopted the plural personal pronoun in order to reinforce our awareness and understanding of ourselves in regard to the multipleness of our being.

We apologize if we sometimes may sound either awkward or conceited as a consequence of making this change in how we refer to ourselves.

The core of our groups’ primary beliefs share these ideals: That love should be universal and unconditional; that liberty is our most important right, and that liberty is a gift like love which we may best enjoy by giving it freely to all others; and that justice may best be served by not judging.


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